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Post by Keithsson on Mar 23, 2020 18:23:27 GMT
This is very heavy on detail but if you are the sort of person who actually reads small print you may find it interesting. It is a further circular from the FA (again via the Isthmian site) detailing their 'job retention scheme'. Link
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Post by wwrebel on Mar 24, 2020 16:02:16 GMT
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Post by westsussexisred on Mar 24, 2020 16:55:50 GMT
Surely we could implement a system like DLS in cricket which predicts what the final table would have been? Both PPG and Null and void are incredibly unfair ways of deciding a season. Surely if we have to go down this route then at least have a system which has some intelligence to it? Would be the 'least worst' option imo
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Post by wwrebel on Mar 24, 2020 17:10:56 GMT
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Post by Keithsson on Mar 24, 2020 19:43:40 GMT
Things are moving, but I can't believe the National League still want to press on.
If we get promoted by one of the calculated mechanisms there will forever be an asterix against our promotion. I think there's now a greater part of me that would be happier staying in the IPD and trying to win an undisputed promotion whenever next season begins.
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Post by jules on Mar 24, 2020 20:59:26 GMT
No satisfactory outcome now no matter what happens. I am fast coming to the view that I don't care what league we are in when next season eventually kicks off, whenever that may be. The most important thing is that we still have a club to support. I fear there will be plenty of clubs at our level, and above, who will not survive this crisis. My only hope after the survival of the club is that Adam stays on to complete what he has started. And if the number of lives are lost that they predict, then all in all, staying in the Isthmian ain't the worst that can happen.
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Post by wwrebel on Mar 24, 2020 22:51:48 GMT
A very sensible decision to cancel the leagues although no real clues as to what will happen to the current 19/20 standings.
Many non league clubs are carrying salaries and with no match day income for the foreseeable future it will give clubs the chance to save some money by releasing players and not making any contractual agreements with players for the 20/21 season. (whenever that will be)
However other bills will still need to be paid and with no match day income, and that is what most non leagues club survive on, it will be extremely difficult to see many clubs surviving. FA needs to help and maybe look to offer reduced costs for affiliation fees for next season etc to at least give clubs the chance to play football again if they make it through the troubling months ahead.
On a side note I have heard that Watford FC have handed Vicarage Road over to the NHS for the duration of the crisis which suggests that any ideas of playing out the remaining games behind closed doors is a non starter.
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Post by Kenty in Weardale on Mar 24, 2020 22:59:04 GMT
This is a hard one for me.
My personal values place a high premium on justice and fairness reflected in the desire to see the players, management, fans and above all, George, get the joy we would so deserve for being champions and getting promoted on merit.
On the other hand, and it's a view that has been growing for me over recent months, do I actually want us to go up? Connie S is more widely spread for travelling, costs more to watch, has some loathsome away fans, would attract more Worthing based numpties, has quite a few old style "take em out" type defenders and would probably mean a season fighting relegation.
Lastly, and tending to win out at the moment, we are facing an unprecedented attack on our society and health with no idea of whether this is a 1 year emergency or a major long term or intermittent problem.
To be honest, in the face of COVID any sporting issues seem a bit of an irrelevance and I wish I could just go to sleep for 6 months and wake to a hopeful world
Stay safe everyone
Kenty
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Post by Keithsson on Mar 25, 2020 7:42:36 GMT
Whilst it'd be a nice idea to sleep through it all Kenty one could awake to the opening scene of '28 days later'!
You're right on the financial implications of this on our club WW, it could be devastating.
Now whilst I take the earlier point about this effecting SOME fans individual finances too I find it incredible that only a handful of people have donated to the fan driven 'just giving' effort.
The club could be crippled but it can't be financially crippling the entire 900+ average attendance... bar just a dozen or so fans.
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Post by Keithsson on Mar 25, 2020 8:03:12 GMT
On the specific point of what faces us if promoted to the National League Kenty I have to bow to your greater knowledge. I haven't followed that level as keenly as yourself.
From the picture you paint it sounds like a perfect storm for problems. Whilst every club should aim to go up and improve its standing in the league pyramid, next season could now be a poisoned chalice.
Had Covid not come and we'd gone up naturally the club would be thriving. The players would be buzzing, the fans would be buzzing and finances would be as good as they could be. The momentum would carry on in the higher league and we'd have a fighting chance of gaining a foothold up there.
If we go up as an administrative pen stroke, after months of footballing inactivity the reverse would be the case. Players and fans would not be buzzing, we'd be as flat as a witch's chest. The finances would be crippled, just at the time we need them to be stronger, and there would be absolutely no momentum whatsoever.
We'd be making the step up in the worst possible of circumstances. We'd risk all the positive momentum of the last couple of years being washed away as the new fanbase deserts a losing team as quick as our better players disappear.
Meanwhile the 'lesser' sides this season (the less good ones) yer Rocks, yer Hornets etc. would enjoy a period of consolidation in the IPD and end season 2020/21 in a far better state than us despite us being the promoted side this season.
Nah, just cancel it and keep everyone where they are. We'll know we were the rightful 2019/20 champions even if it weren't officially recognised.
I can even stomach Rocks claiming their embarrassing defeats never happened. We all know they did and anyway we'd then have the opportunity to whip their little green butts all over again.
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Post by cityboy on Mar 25, 2020 20:15:48 GMT
Keithsson I come in peace. Whilst most Rocks know you are top of the league and probably deserve to go up as champions the Conference South is a funny old league. The standard of football week in week out is higher; and I am not saying your boys wouldn't be able to step upto it but it is hard as we found out. Sides are big and physical; the skill element is far less; hence the reason when ISP clubs play these clubs in one off cup games we can get results. Game after game is tiring. To get players first that level is not cheap, we were being quoted £800+ per week for players on a regular basis. Gates will be decent; but most clubs charge £15.00 entrance. Expenses go up because officials travel so much further as do your team and fans. The supporters club subsidised travel our season up in excess of £1000. Just a few things to think about. As I say your boys probably should be champions; only time will tell. In the meantime all stay safe and roll on next season!!
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Post by Keithsson on Mar 26, 2020 7:44:30 GMT
Keithsson I come in peace. Whilst most Rocks know you are top of the league and probably deserve to go up as champions the Conference South is a funny old league. The standard of football week in week out is higher; and I am not saying your boys wouldn't be able to step upto it but it is hard as we found out. Sides are big and physical; the skill element is far less; hence the reason when ISP clubs play these clubs in one off cup games we can get results. Game after game is tiring. To get players first that level is not cheap, we were being quoted £800+ per week for players on a regular basis. Gates will be decent; but most clubs charge £15.00 entrance. Expenses go up because officials travel so much further as do your team and fans. The supporters club subsidised travel our season up in excess of £1000. Just a few things to think about. As I say your boys probably should be champions; only time will tell. In the meantime all stay safe and roll on next season!! Thanks Cityboy, good recent knowledge of what we would face. Finances are the key undertone to the issues and if promoted in these circumstances it'd be the worst of all financial environments. You could argue it'd be the same for every NLS side starting next season but if the step up always causes a financial then that gulf will still be there. We'll discover our fate soon but I fear a poisoned chalice awaits if we go up. Stay safe over there fella.
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Post by lancreb13 on Mar 26, 2020 15:04:40 GMT
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Post by jules on Mar 26, 2020 15:27:03 GMT
Well that was quick in the end. Isthmian League it is then next time we kick off.
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Post by westsussexisred on Mar 26, 2020 15:55:28 GMT
I assume that this means that the 24 team expansion to step 2 will not happen next season?
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