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Post by Keithsson on Feb 24, 2024 20:37:38 GMT
I have seen Worthing a few times this season and it surprises me where they find themselves in the league because their style of play never changes and we seem to be headless at the back….today was no exception with their goal. Klass and Leur are completely useless at this level ……yet we don’t bring on Robinson until injury time! Then we are searching for a goal….we are still playing it across the back with no movement ahead to create space. At this point if we were to get promoted then we would be the NL whipping boys. Lots to unpack there. At ANY point if we were to get promoted we would be the NL whipping boys... just look where Oxford City are up there! Useless is a strong word at the best of times, useless used in the same sentence as Micheal Klass is just plain blasphemy 😉 I'm not a Greg Luer fan but as Sam said earlier he does have some small redeeming features, not least a better ability than just about anyone in the squad to actually get his head on a long ball. And as the game progressed they made us go longer. Klass did not have one of his better games today, that I will concede. He did some things brilliantly but almost every one was cancelled out by a equal and opposite mistake. I can only surmise that the "few games" you've seen this season haven't included the games he has absolutely bossed. What is a solid gold fact though is that even in those few games you've seen you can't possibly have seen more than a couple where Jake Robinson has delivered something to merit your confidence. Sadly the best of his time with us remains the pre-season of 22/23. Such a shame he got injured as I think he would've been immense for us last season. Since returning from injury though you can see, whilst retaining the footballing brain, the footballing legs can't do what they used to. There is a reason he is used as a later and later sub now. And no, the style of play won't change. We invite pressure to secure space, and most of the time we gain more from it than we lose.
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Post by tonyh on Feb 24, 2024 20:37:46 GMT
It only ever takes a defeat in a very tough and competitive league to bring out the doommongers. "Chairboy" being the latest to join the honourable list. On the strength of "seen a few games this season", Klass and Luer are useless at this level. Agreed, Greg has been a big disappointment but Michael has in my opinion been a really good addition, and I have watched most as opposed to a few. As to being surprised as to where we are in the league maybe if more games had been watched there would be a greater understanding as to why we are where we are, simples really. With regards to today's game, we were definitely not at our best and Braintree were worth the win. Very organised and solid without being outstanding. Not sure our line-up today, even taking into account those missing was as strong as it could have been but nevertheless it was a very flat performance. However I have confidence that after an eight game unbeaten run these two defeats will just act as even more incentive. Given that Yeovil will win the league, can we still finish second?, not sure we can, but the play-offs definitely. Onwards and upwards.
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Post by Keithsson on Feb 24, 2024 20:49:13 GMT
On the changes Tony, I think the biggest effect was on the right side. 'Little Joe' and Dylan had an instant understanding. No disrespect to Kane but he and Dylan don't have that understanding. Cam Tutt clearly isn't up to 90 minutes yet because the other option today was him at left back keeping the Felix and Fage bromance going on the right. Dartford will be interesting because assuming no reaction from Joe Rye's return today and with Joel available again, it gives the option of him coming back to the right back/wingback, a role that I'm convinced is his best position. But that also interrupts the F&F pairing... who'd be a football manager? 😆 Talking of which... Hinsh post match - YouTube
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Post by broadwaterred82 on Feb 24, 2024 20:50:27 GMT
It only ever takes a defeat in a very tough and competitive league to bring out the doommongers. "Chairboy" being the latest to join the honourable list. On the strength of "seen a few games this season", Klass and Luer are useless at this level. Agreed, Greg has been a big disappointment but Michael has in my opinion been a really good addition, and I have watched most as opposed to a few. As to being surprised as to where we are in the league maybe if more games had been watched there would be a greater understanding as to why we are where we are, simples really. With regards to today's game, we were definitely not at our best and Braintree were worth the win. Very organised and solid without being outstanding. Not sure our line-up today, even taking into account those missing was as strong as it could have been but nevertheless it was a very flat performance. However I have confidence that after an eight game unbeaten run these two defeats will just act as even more incentive. Given that Yeovil will win the league, can we still finish second?, not sure we can, but the play-offs definitely. Onwards and upwards. I completely agree. I think we have enough to make the play offs . In my opnion we need at least one more season in NLS to strengthen, improve and hopefully push on to the next level. We all have off days, but the Adam and the team have been brilliant this season so far. I know the team will bounce back . I think some fans think we should be Man City week in week out and are fighting off relegation!! I agree about Klass, I was sceptical of him at first but he has grown into his role on the middle of the park and gives us that physicality we need.
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Post by faninthestand on Feb 24, 2024 21:15:31 GMT
To sum up, Braintree were the better team...and won.
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Post by Keithsson on Feb 24, 2024 21:24:08 GMT
As disappointing a week as this has been, and to put things in context, PPG and predicted finish tables still put us 3rd avoiding the QF's and a home tie in the SF's... PPG - LinkP.F. - LinkIt's our to throw away still 👍🏻
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Post by worthingwire on Feb 24, 2024 22:17:03 GMT
When your MOTM is your keeper, you can't argue that the best team didn't win. It may only have been one goal but their levels of tenacity and purpose were simply much better. Without Ollie in goal it could have been three or four... while we didn't lay a glove on 'em. *If* we end up in the play-offs, whatever position we're in, there are now two teams I really don't fancy us against, home or away. The Iron join Chelmsford on that list... and its inconceivable we could avoid both of them.I say 'if' because we now trail Chelmsford anyway and with their games in hand Braintree, Bath and Hampton are potentially right on us too. A week is a long time in the NLS, not just politics. It's perfectly conceivable that we could avoid either or both of them.
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Post by ian on Feb 26, 2024 8:29:01 GMT
To sum up, Braintree were the better team...and won. This in a nutshell. I really rate Braintree's manager and think he will go on to manage at a much higher level. As for us, the difference was a mistake by Alfie/Ollie. I also think Klass is incredibly underrated. It's he that often drops deep to receive the ball as we play out and turns out to begin our attack. In doing so, he takes enormous risks (as instructed) but is brave on the ball and takes responsibility. His height in the middle is also very valuable. Luer can be frustrating as there is clearly a player there and I'd have started him ahead of Brad Dolaghan (who I rate very highly) as he's more experienced and would offer us height off the wing which we simply don't have so would give us another option. As for Jake, sadly in playing 4-2-3-1 he's in the either/or situation with Ollie - enough said there. I also think that we have missed Joel's goals and assists more than we realise from RB. I'm very happy to see Joe Felix further forward on the right. I like the way Fage gets balls in early and is unselfish in his role but I'm not convinced he's a first choice when everyone is fit. Also important to remember that we were without Joel, Rueben, Nicky, Odei and Tommy as well as the more 'enigmatic' Jesse and Luque. These things happen and like every other occasion this season, Adam will get the group together and try and find a solution for the next game.
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Post by rebellious on Feb 26, 2024 10:34:09 GMT
I can't quite fathom the comments specific to Brad Dolaghan. Unless he's given the opportunity Greg Luer will always be more experienced! Brad has scored goals wherever he has played so far, the same cannot be said of the player you are comparing him with. If Brad doesn't score goals for Worthing he will score them for someone else. That I have no doubt!
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Post by ian on Feb 26, 2024 11:25:39 GMT
I can't quite fathom the comments specific to Brad Dolaghan. Unless he's given the opportunity Greg Luer will always be more experienced! Brad has scored goals wherever he has played so far, the same cannot be said of the player you are comparing him with. If Brad doesn't score goals for Worthing he will score them for someone else. That I have no doubt! And that's why Brad is so exciting - he scores goals and that's something you can't teach. I just thought that throwing him in for a full debut (possibly) out of position against a very strong Braintree team isn't the best way to integrate him into the team. Perhaps doing so playing him in his preferred position against a lesser team possibly away from home might have been better? But that's why Hinsh is the best manager in our history and I pay to watch his teams play.
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Post by tonyh on Feb 26, 2024 11:37:32 GMT
I too am a big fan of Brad and believe he has the makings of a good player. However the step up he is being askedvto makefrom youth football and Littlehampton to NLS is really huge. I felt at times on Saturday that Brad looked physically light against such strong defenders. Agreed, he needs to play senior games to gain experience but at a lower level. Would he get game time at Horsham, Bognor or Lewes? I think probably not on a regular basis. So the best option is for him to continue to develop and grow at Littlehampton or another at that level. I know that Joe Rye and Finlay Chadwick have made the step up, but both are physically strong.
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Post by Keithsson on Feb 26, 2024 12:08:58 GMT
Wouldn't wish to second guess Hinsh's thinking on Saturday but it's quite possible it was always the plan to switch Brad and Greg during the game.
You've got Greg coming back from injury so is unlikely to last 90 minutes, 45 minutes even.
You've got a good young player you want to reward for his development progress.
So you start Brad so he gets to play when the game is at its highest tempo, then switch to Greg when the oppositions legs are getting tired, its a win win. It gives Brad a real test and gives Greg a less frenetic spell to come into coming back from his groin strain.
I thought both did OK to be fair. Yes Brad doesn't have the physical development of the defenders he was up against but his touch and thoughts were largely good.
Hinsh has done this occasionally with young players. They go out on loan/dual contract, do well, then come back into the fold briefly before going out again. I wouldn't read Brad's starting appearance on Saturday as 'he's back'... its more of a 'well done, we've noticed, you're still in our thoughts, now go back and keep up the good work, keep developing'.
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Post by rebellious on Feb 26, 2024 13:38:59 GMT
I felt at times on Saturday that Brad looked physically light against such strong defenders. Would he get game time at Horsham, Bognor or Lewes? Doesn't Ollie Pearce sometimes look physically light against strong defenders? The difference between the levels isn't strength, it is pace, speed of thought, decision making or to summarise, better players. No, he wouldn't because those three clubs don't play young players from Sussex. If he was from Portsmouth he might get a game at Bognor! He won't learn anything at Step 4, once he gets used to being kicked!
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Post by Phil on Feb 26, 2024 13:48:16 GMT
I felt at times on Saturday that Brad looked physically light against such strong defenders. Would he get game time at Horsham, Bognor or Lewes? Doesn't Ollie Pearce sometimes look physically light against strong defenders? The difference between the levels isn't strength, it is pace, speed of thought, decision making or to summarise, better players. No, he wouldn't because those three clubs don't play young players from Sussex. If he was from Portsmouth he might get a game at Bognor! He won't learn anything at Step 4, once he gets used to being kicked! Yes he dose, but because of this he knows how and when to go down (rightly or wrongly) think of all the free kicks, pens, tactical fouls etc Ollie has won us by being physically light. For me he uses that as part of his game. I think Brad will turn out to be an absolute gem and even more proof that the 'pathway' works. However I do agree starting at game like Saturday was maybe a little to far and could have done more damage to Brad instead of boosting his confidence. For example think back to Jasper, he was used off the bench in 18/19 even scored in the 9-1 Harlow game and he was used and developed wisely and now look where he is.
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Post by findonrebel on Feb 26, 2024 14:01:18 GMT
I felt at times on Saturday that Brad looked physically light against such strong defenders. Would he get game time at Horsham, Bognor or Lewes? Doesn't Ollie Pearce sometimes look physically light against strong defenders? The difference between the levels isn't strength, it is pace, speed of thought, decision making or to summarise, better players. No, he wouldn't because those three clubs don't play young players from Sussex. If he was from Portsmouth he might get a game at Bognor! He won't learn anything at Step 4, once he gets used to being kicked! Personally I feel you can learn anything at any level, if you chuck someone in at the deep end too early it can be detrimental to their long term growth, if you throw someone in lower then it can be too easy for them, but also they can be surprised at the standard they find themselves at and therefore learn to adapt and become a better player from that loan spell! Ollie has learnt his trade at a lower level and is now wiser for it, even he would say his first bite at NLS with Bognor was a relative failure and that he may not have been ready for it, now look at him! Brad clearly has talent and Hinsh will be all too aware of that ( look at the talent we have let shine, Jasper, Dave Ajiboye, Kwame Poku, Fin Stevens, Omar ) but if he feels he isn't ready or it's a bridge too far for him currently then I would absolutely trust the management teams judgement on that! He will absolutely get his moment when he's ready for his moment👍
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