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Post by tonyh on Dec 9, 2023 22:06:37 GMT
Having had time to think about todays game, there are some posts I agree with. Those regarding our defensive frailties particularly, but as for the suggestion that 500 people are not attending because of Greg Luer is beyond laughable " charles2004".Got to be honest "charles", I struggle to remember, if any, positive posts from you. If indeed the lower attendance today was because we are not winning handsomely every week, then those missing are not true supporters. Surely by definition you support the team through thick and thin. If indeed you can call 6th place in NLS "thin". Only Two seasons ago when we won the IPLD at a canter the big question was can we survive at this level, well that question has been well and truly answered.
Anyway, to todays game. A thoroughly entertaining game where we looked so good going forward and created countless chances playing the "Worthing Way", but, as has already been mentioned, an absolute sh*t show at the back. The addition of Glen Rea at the back seems to have made no difference. MOM for me today was absolutely Kane Wills.
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Post by tonyh on Dec 9, 2023 22:08:13 GMT
I think a lot of supporters may be thinking it’s pointless to pay admission money to keep having to see Leur trying? to score a goal in a Worthing shirt when his standard is Southern Combination div one level at best. Surely Adam,,, you can see that. |
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Post by tonyh on Dec 9, 2023 22:08:54 GMT
With respect. Absolute nonsense !!!
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Post by tonyh on Dec 9, 2023 22:14:57 GMT
Incidentally, for those of you who have not listened to the post match interview from the St. Albans Manager, I suggest you do. A very honest and refreshing assessment from an opposing Manager.
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Post by faninthestand on Dec 9, 2023 22:26:12 GMT
At the risk of getting lambasted I am in the camp of findon rebel regarding his reference to burnt on the oven, emotions, dithering risky passes at the back and cock ups. Perhaps not quite so much about Rocco as he is not the only component in the dithering triangles [or sometimes octagon] and he is presumably told to do it this way albeit that he is clearly not the best goalie in the league but lets not forget he has made some great saves in matches that has kept us in the game I thought I would delay this post as portland rebel had indicated that his view might be premature so I left it until now .Alas I have the same emotion now as I had earlier. It's been happening for too long now not just this season. What I know about tactics can be written on the back of a postage stamp but surely there has to be a solution other than just replacing the keeper? Poor attendance today, even accounting for Brighton being at home and the Christmas factor but last week Dulwich Hamlet v Bognor Regis attracted over 2000 last week, there are plenty of London teams and Christmas happens there too.
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Post by Bally on Dec 9, 2023 23:14:15 GMT
We're safe from relegation in my book and playoffs is still possible in our second season at our highest level. Every fan is entitled to their own motivation to support Worthing for their own reasons. Mine is primarily to support local football and our town club rather than to have to see a win every week. We were lucky we had that feeling strung out for so long thanks to covid!
Maybe some fans got too used to winning and are now struggling? That's ok. Some payers aren't good value at this level, we'll have to deal with it. Not all fans agree with the recruitment and tactics of the manager. Shock. Sounds like football across the world.
Well I'm here to support the town club so I'll have my emotional opinions (sometimes right, sometimes wrong, just like the players and staff) and i will still do it all again next week!
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Post by broadwaterred82 on Dec 10, 2023 0:36:47 GMT
We're safe from relegation in my book and playoffs is still possible in our second season at our highest level. Every fan is entitled to their own motivation to support Worthing for their own reasons. Mine is primarily to support local football and our town club rather than to have to see a win every week. We were lucky we had that feeling strung out for so long thanks to covid! Maybe some fans got too used to winning and are now struggling? That's ok. Some payers aren't good value at this level, we'll have to deal with it. Not all fans agree with the recruitment and tactics of the manager. Shock. Sounds like football across the world. Well I'm here to support the town club so I'll have my emotional opinions (sometimes right, sometimes wrong, just like the players and staff) and i will still do it all again next week! I00% Bally. I have supported Worthing for nearly 30 years and this level is the best the club has ever been at ! I for one are really enjoying it no matter what bumps in the road we have! |
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Post by dutchboy74 on Dec 10, 2023 6:17:20 GMT
We're safe from relegation in my book and playoffs is still possible in our second season at our highest level. Every fan is entitled to their own motivation to support Worthing for their own reasons. Mine is primarily to support local football and our town club rather than to have to see a win every week. We were lucky we had that feeling strung out for so long thanks to covid! Maybe some fans got too used to winning and are now struggling? That's ok. Some payers aren't good value at this level, we'll have to deal with it. Not all fans agree with the recruitment and tactics of the manager. Shock. Sounds like football across the world. Well I'm here to support the town club so I'll have my emotional opinions (sometimes right, sometimes wrong, just like the players and staff) and i will still do it all again next week! Whatever happens I will keep on going and supporting the team. For me it is more than just watching the game. Seeing my mates, having a laugh , sign a song etc. But I do realise we will not win every game. Sometimes you just have to admit another team are better IE Ebbsfleet last year. Where I struggle is the way we lost on Tuesday. Like I said we will lose now and then but if the team leaves everything on the pitch than so be it. Will be interesting to see what the new signing is like. Having caught up with Aarran yesterday it will be a while before he is back. |
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Post by Keithsson on Dec 10, 2023 7:38:42 GMT
Incidentally, for those of you who have not listened to the post match interview from the St. Albans Manager, I suggest you do. A very honest and refreshing assessment from an opposing Manager. David Noble - YouTube |
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Post by Keithsson on Dec 10, 2023 8:48:22 GMT
We're safe from relegation in my book and playoffs is still possible in our second season at our highest level. Every fan is entitled to their own motivation to support Worthing for their own reasons. Mine is primarily to support local football and our town club rather than to have to see a win every week. We were lucky we had that feeling strung out for so long thanks to covid! Maybe some fans got too used to winning and are now struggling? That's ok. Some payers aren't good value at this level, we'll have to deal with it. Not all fans agree with the recruitment and tactics of the manager. Shock. Sounds like football across the world. Well I'm here to support the town club so I'll have my emotional opinions (sometimes right, sometimes wrong, just like the players and staff) and i will still do it all again next week! Spot on 👏🏻 However, frankly I don't believe we the brethren and sisterhood of this site NEED to agree with that sentiment. If one cares enough about Worthing FC to be sufficiently ars*d to seek out an obscure message board, to gravitate towards other like minded individuals who vent forth their views (good, bad or indifferent), then its pretty much a given one is a 'lifer' already 😆 No-one on here is going to be a glory seeking drifter who gets going when the going gets tough. But away from this 'safe space' we do have to recognise that in more than doubling our average attendances in a relatively short space of time that when we're in the ground not everyone shares the same commitment. Goals will be always be conceded, leads will always be lost and sucker punches will always hurt. So by far the most concerning aspect of yesterday was the gate Sure we can all congratulate ourselves about how committed we all are as individuals, but the club REALLY needs these folk, we as committed fans REALLY need them too. We need to encourage them, to get more into Woodside Road. Every gate below the 'break even' figure (allegedly 1,200) that isn't mirrored somewhere by an equal and opposite gate above the break even figure means the club is losing money. If the club is losing money then there's no prospect of more players coming in to improve the situation. Its the opposite of a virtuous circle... a 'turduous circle' if you will. Less fans = less product = less fans = less product and so on. An over dramatic doomsday scenario after just one truly bad gate? (relatively) Oh god yeah!. But the clue was there last Saturday too, we shouldn't have had our lowest Saturday gate of the season to that ppint on a non-Albion sunny day whilst sitting in the play-offs 🤔 It could always be a blip. The Stones gate will rise... hopefully above the Chippenham gate as that's a more like for like comparison than yesterday. And of course Boxing Day will be packed. But it could also be signalling the crest of a slump and if it is then the club needs to be ahead of the curve in spotting that and reacting to it with promotions and incentives. Once lost its the devils own job to get fairweather fans back, its better by far to keep them 👍🏻 And on another note Bally. I couldn't live with myself if I let "we're safe from relegation" pass unchallenged. The compression of the league this year is crazy compared to last year. Sure we'd have to go some to fall to Dover and Havants level but we're just 12 points from the cut off line... as near to there as we are to the summit. Do I think we'll drop that far?, no. But it'd only take a couple or three players to fall over (anyone else take a deep breath yesterday when Joe Rye held his hamstring? 😱) and our blade becomes significantly blunted. Basically until such time as we have got enough points to stay up, we don't have enough points to stay up. |
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Post by Keithsson on Dec 10, 2023 9:10:10 GMT
Sorry to go on but an addendum to the 'blip v cause for concern' thing, some numbers for context to show how tight things are...
Break even = 1,200.
Average 23/24 = 1,229.
Average 22/23 = 1,236.
Glass half full - we're only seven fans down on last season and we're 29 fans above break even.
Glass half empty - the 22/23 average clearly includes the play-off campaign run in and thr play off QF. We'd have to at least match that on the pitch to match the income off it.
Conclusion - Its as tight as a Sumo Wrestlers budgie smugglers. Only at the end of the season will we know if these last two home gates were a blip or the crest of a slump.
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Post by Bally on Dec 10, 2023 9:56:54 GMT
Agree with Kiethsson about fellow fans not NEEDING to agree with my sentiments. The point I was trying to make was that this is not just okay, but should be valued and embraced as they are equally part of the club.
As for the relegation... I'm going to stand by that one based on realism and let the mathletes and stattos do the stewing until the table says safe 🤪!
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Post by Keithsson on Dec 10, 2023 10:11:50 GMT
Agree with Kiethsson about fellow fans not NEEDING to agree with my sentiments. The point I was trying to make was that this is not just okay, but should be valued and embraced as they are equally part of the club. As for the relegation... I'm going to stand by that one based on realism and let the mathletes and stattos do the stewing until the table says safe 🤪! That's not how you spell mad-letes and saddos 🤣 'Tis a fair and honourable sentiment, nothing that needs defending. I was just observing we are a bit of a breed apart by virtue of caring enough to be on here in the first place. We know we don't resemble the part-time or fairweather tag. And really its a moot distinction anyway. The club can't differentiate between cash from diehards and cash from those to whom Woodside is just one of a range of options on a Saturday afternoon. It needs both equally. |
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Post by Keithsson on Dec 10, 2023 10:22:04 GMT
Going back to matters on the pitch yesterday, and something I've only just remembered to mention... did anyone else clock the difference between our reaction to conceding a goal and theirs?
They re-grouped, formed a huddle, got shouting and fist pumping. There was a bit of input from the bench on a couple of them too.
We walked up to the centre, put the ball down on the spot and stood in formation, hands on hips and said virtually nothing to each other. Odei and Joel on one occasion each clapped their hands a couple of times to briefly encourage but other than that, zip 🤐
A small observation but quite a powerful one and speaks of the previously mentioned group dynamic, and diminishment thereof ☹
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Post by rebellious on Dec 10, 2023 13:05:07 GMT
The is an argument to suggest that a failure to convert chances is as big a factor in dropping league points than conceding goals. Mistakes in defence are easy to highlight but mistakes in attack are considered just one of those things. We missed so many chances yesterday. Only four goals from that amount of ball possession and chances created was poor. On the other hand, Joe Rye was majestic yesterday, his one v one battle with Jeffers was one of the game's highlights. To say we are good in attack but poor in defence is way off the mark.
This may well be an unpopular opinion but if you can't score goals in this Worthing team then perhaps Charles is correct and you are not a NLS striker!
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