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Post by smokeyjoe on Jul 5, 2019 22:42:53 GMT
63 goals conceded last season and the highest amount inside the top 16. Hoping the defensive aspect of the side is better next season but i am not sure that replacing Lucas with a young lad is the answer. But then again im not sure 3 at the back is either so we will see |
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Post by smokeyjoe on Jul 5, 2019 22:54:36 GMT
As I said a number of post ago with getting rid of experience players is a mistake and now we sign an u18 goalkeeper. The heart is being ripped out of the club and the hard work of the last couple of seasons is wasted in my opinion. We will struggle next season and fans will drift away as there seems no ambition . What is going on ?
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Post by diamond1973 on Jul 6, 2019 6:30:07 GMT
There’s been rumblings of discontent for a while which I think we all can agree on.
The whole situation around Calvin’s departure still seems off, perhaps he knew what was to come but that man was the most passionate person about the club.
George is and always will be a hero but he doesn’t seem as enthusiastic about it all anymore, I imagine the pressures are massive so I feel for him.
Unfortunately, I don’t really know what Peter Stone brings to the table in comparison of the above two. Something I will want to be discussing at the next meet up.
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Post by Keithsson on Jul 6, 2019 10:47:04 GMT
As I said a number of post ago with getting rid of experience players is a mistake and now we sign an u18 goalkeeper. The heart is being ripped out of the club and the hard work of the last couple of seasons is wasted in my opinion. We will struggle next season and fans will drift away as there seems no ambition . What is going on ? To me what seems to be going on is that some folk don't trust the club and/or Hinch and have thrown in the towel without a ball being kicked yet. *IF* we struggle, that is the time to question ambition and the general direction of the club. However if this new crop of players does well will the food kiosk need to order in some humble pie or will a new stick to beat the club with be searched for? |
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Post by tonyh on Jul 6, 2019 13:26:53 GMT
Couldn't agree more Keithsson. The amount of negativity on here beggars belief. We have lost three players to a higher level and another who was told his game time would be limited. We have signed two players of proven ability and another who comes highly regarded. The fact that all the rest of last season's squad have re-signed hardly indicates that there are problems. I personally cannot wait for the season to start.
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Post by smokeyjoe on Jul 6, 2019 18:05:32 GMT
Keithsson I very much respect your post and I will be first in the queue ordering the humble pie , if it's half as good as the other food in fact I very much look forward to it But facts we lose a keeper quite rightly wanting a chance at a much higher league being replaced by an U18 keeper , Vertigate seems to know who he is and this doesn't feel me with confidence . Also as mentioned wemoved heaven & earth to get Zac ( a massive fans favourite ) , I wonder what has stopped us getting him this time . Where is the replacements for the defence ? If Buddy doesn't play as much ( as seems to what happened last season ) where or who is our engine come ball winner .
Not that we will know but what are our ambitions this season - survival I expect - when Calvin was with use that's not the expectations of the club .
I live in hope but expections are " I worried " Iand I believe I have every right to be without being shot down as I think I'm being a realist with what we have . Everything crossed and I get my pie 😛😛
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Post by heljag on Jul 6, 2019 18:48:30 GMT
What I've heard on the grapevine the goal keeper we have is a class act. So no worry's their. The only concern is Jalen Jones Has not been seen at the training sessions? Hope he's still with us??  |
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Post by gobboagain on Jul 6, 2019 20:12:29 GMT
What I've heard on the grapevine the goal keeper we have is a class act. So no worry's their. The only concern is Jalen Jones Has not been seen at the training sessions? Hope he's still with us?? Jalen has gone. Also I Hope the goalkeeper has learnt to catch. |
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Post by smokeyjoe on Jul 6, 2019 20:43:03 GMT
Now that is bad news , hate to repeat - what is going on ? We cannot afford to lose these quality players . But I will wait for the response " I'm only being negative " . Look at the facts - look who has left with !! Perhaps the management thought and I quote " we are Worthing & look what we can offer ". Our best players are leaving you have to get real .
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Post by heljag on Jul 6, 2019 21:42:44 GMT
It's not certain Jalen has gone just not at training! Don't take any notice of the gobb he's just stirring things up
He don't know sh-t from dirty pudding
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Post by vertigate on Jul 6, 2019 21:43:20 GMT
Keithsson I very much respect your post and I will be first in the queue ordering the humble pie , if it's half as good as the other food in fact I very much look forward to it But facts we lose a keeper quite rightly wanting a chance at a much higher league being replaced by an U18 keeper , Vertigate seems to know who he is and this doesn't feel me with confidence . Also as mentioned wemoved heaven & earth to get Zac ( a massive fans favourite ) , I wonder what has stopped us getting him this time . Where is the replacements for the defence ? If Buddy doesn't play as much ( as seems to what happened last season ) where or who is our engine come ball winner . Not that we will know but what are our ambitions this season - survival I expect - when Calvin was with use that's not the expectations of the club . I live in hope but expections are " I worried " Iand I believe I have every right to be without being shot down as I think I'm being a realist with what we have . Everything crossed and I get my pie 😛😛 Just to clear up any confusion, I was talking about the previous U-18 keeper from Brighton (Tom McGill). I know nothing about the new keeper we have signed. My intentions are not to shoot anyone down, just to temper expectations because at the end of the day, this is not a professional club, yet a lot of supporters on here possibly forget this fact. |
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Post by vertigate on Jul 6, 2019 21:54:55 GMT
Now that is bad news , hate to repeat - what is going on ? We cannot afford to lose these quality players . But I will wait for the response " I'm only being negative " . Look at the facts - look who has left with !! Perhaps the management thought and I quote " we are Worthing & look what we can offer ". Our best players are leaving you have to get real . By the number of players that have left to move to professional clubs or leagues that are made up of a majority of professional clubs this year alone show quite clearly that Worthing is a great club to be at if you are a young and ambitious player. Non league football exists to provide a pathway to the professional game so the club can be regarded as being very successful under the current ownership/management structure. Players will leave clubs to play at a higher level or earn more money - ultimately it is the same problem for clubs at this level as it is in the Premier League so why should a semi-professional club be expected to hold on to their best players if clubs receiving millions of pounds cannot do it? If the club started to block players from moving up the pyramid, nobody would want to come at the atmosphere in the dressing room would very quickly become toxic. (Arnautovic at West Ham is a very recent example) We should enjoy watching the players develop and playing a part in their development by supporting them, then wish them well when they leave and congratulate the club on a job well done. Do you think it may be you who needs to "get real"? |
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Post by cityboy on Jul 7, 2019 6:55:11 GMT
It's not certain Jalen has gone just not at training! Don't take any notice of the gobb he's just stirring things up He don't know sh-t from dirty pudding the description kettle, pot, black comes to mind. For your information from Jones agent( who I do know) he is training with Sutton United. |
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Post by Keithsson on Jul 7, 2019 8:31:32 GMT
If true, another higher league club, another pathway provided, another underscore to what Vertigate posted. You simply can't label these moves as snubs or lacking ambition on the part of the club, they are the natural order of things.
The trick at our level is to keep finding more hungry ambitious and talented players, to keep selling the 'pathway' angle and thus make yourself an attractive stepping stone.
I reiterate the caviat 'if true' re Jalen but the cap fits for Lucas, Kwame and David. That is our lot in the grand scheme of things.
Edit... I have a wee bit more time now to expand on that...
I actually sort of understand where the 'wailing and gnashing of teeth' mindset comes from. When I first immersed myself in football at this level a couple of seasons back I couldn't believe the turnover of players, anyone half decent just disappeared quick as a flash. But I was looking at it through football league eyes. Sure in the EFL you battle to keep hold of decent players just the same but while they're contracted you have some protection... for a while.
I wonder if those who are similarly dazed and confused as to why good players leave are still in the same transition period I went through. Vertigate suggests the same, football league conventions being applied to a non league situation, professional v non professional.
A bit of time and a bit of learning later and I can see that the playing field is just not the same at our level, the 'rules' are completely different and you have to adjust your outlook or it doesn't make sense. Because the money available to pay our players as a sustainable entity is limited, because they are not on contracts, because in a very short career in a highly competitive field a player with any promise needs to move upwards as quickly as possible... players can and will move on.
Someone mentioned, disparagingly, that next season has gone from being one of promise to one of 'transition'. Well I would argue, on what I have come to learn from observation, that EVERY season at this level is transitional, your squad will ALWAYS be in flux.
We just have to accept that this is the natural order of things. The only way out is to be bankrolled beyond any form of sustainability, well no thanks, the history books are full of obituaries for clubs who did that. If you come to non league football with any mindset other than that, if you apply football league levels of expectation and standards to a non league club then you really should ask yourself if non league football is actually for you at all.
It is what it is, we are who/where we are. Accept it and the journey becomes more enjoyable, fight it and you'll never enjoy the experience because it will never change.
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Post by smokeyjoe on Jul 7, 2019 12:17:33 GMT
Vertigate , you quote we ( I ) need to get real . Let me remind people that during a Q/A session a couple of seasons ago we were told we are building for the future , no - one from the management / board as said that's still jot the case . I offered money and told that that was not required as plans in the budget says it's all covered . Now let me also inform you that I have a very good friend that is a coach at one of our local competitors who has also said that they have received comments about lots of youngsters wanting to move away from Worthing and attach themselves to other clubs . That statement alone does not bode well for the future . The FACT we are losing experienced players in Rents / Cranie etc and not replacing them is a worry . I'm not talking about the three moving to higher leagues as we have no chance in keeping them as stated we are not in that league . If you think by using just u18 /u16 players in this league I think the future looks bleak for us but as I've said I hope not . I only have Worthing at heart and will always continue to support .
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