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Post by Bally on Apr 14, 2024 13:53:27 GMT
Really impressed with Raccine et al. But think he needs another clubs' experience to offer something different for Worthing. Agree with the comments about his other commitments and if we were looking to stay part time and aim to be a decent NLS team it would be a no brainer. However, I think this appointment should be a 2/3 yr minimum appointment and someone who has experience of both the transition to FT and NL.
I'm looking forward to Worthing v2.0, rather than merely v1.2, riding the huge wave Adam created. Never say never, but not yet in my opinion.
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Post by broadwaterred82 on Apr 14, 2024 13:55:39 GMT
I think Arran, Buddy and have done brillantly has done brillantly. But it's only been a few games. I am very weary if we win promotion via the playoffs we need someone who is a bit more experienced for the next level. I would love to have Arran Buddy and Dean stay on the coaching side of things.
I feel there are a couple of things to consider.
Arran has inherited Hinish squae and will he have enough clout in the transfer market to build his own team? New players have to play for the manager no just for the club. Hinsh was well known in the NL and beyond to other clubs and players. Arran is just starting out.
My other opinion is whilst Arran and the guys doing well they are working under not much expectation. It's a big change being appointed from temp to permanent it's a different ball game.
I my instinct is the club are keeping their options open. I think if we will go up they will hire someone new as there is big interest out there or if we don't go up Arran could stay on permanently and get a full season under his belt.
My gut instinct it will be someone we haven't thought of.
Just my two cents.
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Post by broadwaterred82 on Apr 14, 2024 13:56:12 GMT
Really impressed with Raccine et al. But think he needs another clubs' experience to offer something different for Worthing. Agree with the comments about his other commitments and if we were looking to stay part time and aim to be a decent NLS team it would be a no brainer. However, I think this appointment should be a 2/3 yr minimum appointment and someone who has experience of both the transition to FT and NL. I'm looking forward to Worthing v2.0, rather than merely v1.2, riding the huge wave Adam created. Never say never, but not yet in my opinion.
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Post by worthingwire on Apr 14, 2024 14:06:43 GMT
I think Arran, Buddy and have done brillantly has done brillantly. But it's only been a few games. I am very weary if we win promotion via the playoffs we need someone who is a bit more experienced for the next level. I would love to have Arran Buddy and Dean stay on the coaching side of things. I feel there are a couple of things to consider. Arran has inherited Hinish squae and will he have enough clout in the transfer market to build his own team? New players have to play for the manager no just for the club. Hinsh was well known in the NL and beyond to other clubs and players. Arran is just starting out. My other opinion is whilst Arran and the guys doing well they are working under not much expectation. It's a big change being appointed from temp to permanent it's a different ball game. I my instinct is the club are keeping their options open. I think if we will go up they will hire someone new as there is big interest out there or if we don't go up Arran could stay on permanently and get a full season under his belt. My gut instinct it will be someone we haven't thought of. Just my two cents. I had to Google one of the names I've heard linked with the post as I had no idea who he was.
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Post by Keithsson on Apr 14, 2024 14:37:50 GMT
Unless it would betray a confidence, and assuming he's not currently under confidence elsewhere, please feel free to share...
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Post by rebellious on Apr 15, 2024 8:11:21 GMT
Does nobody think that Aarran is worth a punt for a longer period? No - What other industry would even consider employing someone with no experience and no relevant qualifications?
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Post by findonrebel on Apr 15, 2024 8:53:09 GMT
Does nobody think that Aarran is worth a punt for a longer period? No - What other industry would even consider employing someone with no experience and no relevant qualifications? I think he has his coaching badges?? Though if I'm wrong someone please do say so!
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Post by Keithsson on Apr 15, 2024 10:01:21 GMT
Does nobody think that Aarran is worth a punt for a longer period? No - What other industry would even consider employing someone with no experience and no relevant qualifications? Blunt... but fair. The one thing we need to play no part in the process is sentiment. The successful candidate must tick the right boxes for the criteria set in the selection process, not just the one who happens to be holding the parcel when the music stops.
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Post by rebellious on Apr 15, 2024 10:37:36 GMT
No - What other industry would even consider employing someone with no experience and no relevant qualifications? Blunt... but fair. The one thing we need to play no part in the process is sentiment. The successful candidate must tick the right boxes for the criteria set in the selection process, not just the one who happens to be holding the parcel when the music stops. Man of few words but a lot to say! As well as the experience, Hinshelwood and Morisson are students of the game. Both are Uefa A licensed coaches and Morrison has an MSc degree in Performance Analysis and BSc degree in Football Coaching & Performance. The football we currently enjoy and that now being played by York City didn't happen by chance.
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Post by worthingwire on Apr 15, 2024 19:51:34 GMT
Very, very few non-league football teams play the way Worthing do - it's frequently referred to by oppo managers at this level.
The players in the squad have either been brought up on, or brought in to play, Hinsh's style of football. So while it might seem a bit unambitious to give the reins permanently to Aarran, Dean & Buddy, it would make sense from a continuity point of view - though there's no guarantee of course that they actually want to carry on, as others have mentioned.
Worthing v2.0 as some would have it could be a disaster if the board mis-step with this appointment. We had it good with Hinsh, these guys took a few games to get going (much as Hinsh did at York), but they've done extremely well lately.
Which way the board jump here will be very interesting - and, while I am unable to disclose the name of the person I heard was linked with the job, I can say that he isn't currently employed by a non-league club. So, if it does turn out to be him, one wonders if he has the little black book of contacts in the non-league world that people feel is important?
Regardless, this job is surely an attractive one, I have faith that the board won't screw it up, but I also have a lingering fear that a downgrade on Hinsh is probably more likely than an upgrade.
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Post by Bally on Apr 15, 2024 20:58:25 GMT
Oooh but we all want to know a name!
Fully agree about a downgrade on Hinsh being more likely, but this could be balanced with an upgraded squad (hybrid/FT). Hinsh was, is and will be amazing but we know we were punching above our weight. I'd take a downgrade in coaching vision and potential to see the club grow into a sustainable full time outfit and surpass 2000 average attendance!
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Post by worthingwire on Apr 15, 2024 21:16:14 GMT
Oooh but we all want to know a name! Fully agree about a downgrade on Hinsh being more likely, but this could be balanced with an upgraded squad (hybrid/FT). Hinsh was, is and will be amazing but we know we were punching above our weight. I'd take a downgrade in coaching vision and potential to see the club grow into a sustainable full time outfit and surpass 2000 average attendance! This is kind of my point - the three we currently have are, so far at least, continuing the 'Worthing way' which was inculcated by Hinsh. I don't see them as a massive downgrade, in fact far from it on the evidence to date. A punt on an unproven manager is kind of pointless, as we have those in situ. So the alternative is someone experienced around and about this level of football, and perhaps that person could attract a 'better' level of player, but I'm not entirely convinced on that front.
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Post by Kenty in Weardale on Apr 15, 2024 22:34:20 GMT
The appointment of the next permanent manager is possibly the most important decision in the past 10 years. It shapes the direction of the club from top to bottom; our style of play determines what we look for in recruitment at all levels be they Academy players/scholars through to 1st teamers. Success (or not) on the pitch changes the attendance, sponsorship income etc etc etc. The ground improvements are dictated to us by regulations arising from promotion, it just cannot be overstated that this matters deeply.
For me this says that we have to wait until the play offs are done and dusted before we start the process so we know what we need from applicants and that they know what the size and nature of the job is.
At that time some we would want will say "No thanks" and others that we wouldn't want near our club will try and promise the earth.
All this means is that I really don't know who I want or who would be a good fit because the job isn't ready to be filled.
Not really the most useful post possibly, sorry!
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Post by Keithsson on Apr 16, 2024 5:21:06 GMT
Oooh but we all want to know a name! Fully agree about a downgrade on Hinsh being more likely, but this could be balanced with an upgraded squad (hybrid/FT). Hinsh was, is and will be amazing but we know we were punching above our weight. I'd take a downgrade in coaching vision and potential to see the club grow into a sustainable full time outfit and surpass 2000 average attendance! This is kind of my point - the three we currently have are, so far at least, continuing the 'Worthing way' which was inculcated by Hinsh. I don't see them as a massive downgrade, in fact far from it on the evidence to date... My concern/question would be how much are they continuing the Worthing Way, and how much is the Worthing way continuing itself? 🤔 Bar KLF and Josh Chambers (so just 200ish minutes of football between them) all the players are Hinsh signings, the pre-match drills and routines are the ones they inherited, the training too for all we know too. Could it just be 'freewheeling' along because all the principles, players, practices and processes are exactly as they were before. Now, that could be a good thing, we just keep it freewheeling along. But any wheeled object only freewheels so far before it runs out of inertia, before it stops. In our case for the purposes of this analogy, close season. What happens when, as could well happen this summer, we lose Ollie, Cash, Joe Rye and Joe Felix to admiring suitors... maybe even to Hinsh himself. What happens when we need to recruit replacements without an experienced eye for potential like Hinsh had? What happens when all those muscle memory instinctive good practices and processes the squad had when Hinsh left, need re-installing after the close season? What happens when the squad ISN'T all on the same page for our bespoke system, when it has to be taught, from scratch, to new signings? The 'continuation model' is sound in theory. In practice though the "evidence" we've seen so far could just be a case of simply keeping someone elses plates spinning with a light touch, don't upset the apple cart approach. Setting the plates up again in the summer though needs more than just "keep going lads, you know what to do", its a whole other matter altogether. Stick or twist its going to be a 'brave new world' next season. But for me I'd rather there was someone in place with the experience of recruiting, blending and setting up a squad of players to face an entire season... not just allowing an already set-up and running squad in a great position already to coast through to the end.
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Post by rebellious on Apr 16, 2024 8:35:47 GMT
This is kind of my point - the three we currently have are, so far at least, continuing the 'Worthing way' which was inculcated by Hinsh. I don't see them as a massive downgrade, in fact far from it on the evidence to date... My concern/question would be how much are they continuing the Worthing Way, and how much is the Worthing way continuing itself? 🤔 Bar KLF and Josh Chambers (so just 200ish minutes of football between them) all the players are Hinsh signings, the pre-match drills and routines are the ones they inherited, the training too for all we know too. Could it just be 'freewheeling' along because all the principles, players, practices and processes are exactly as they were before. Now, that could be a good thing, we just keep it freewheeling along. But any wheeled object only freewheels so far before it runs out of inertia, before it stops. In our case for the purposes of this analogy, close season. What happens when, as could well happen this summer, we lose Ollie, Cash, Joe Rye and Joe Felix to admiring suitors... maybe even to Hinsh himself. What happens when we need to recruit replacements without an experienced eye for potential like Hinsh had? What happens when all those muscle memory instinctive good practices and processes the squad had when Hinsh left, need re-installing after the close season? What happens when the squad ISN'T all on the same page for our bespoke system, when it has to be taught, from scratch, to new signings? The 'continuation model' is sound in theory. In practice though the "evidence" we've seen so far could just be a case of simply keeping someone elses plates spinning with a light touch, don't upset the apple cart approach. Setting the plates up again in the summer though needs more than just "keep going lads, you know what to do", its a whole other matter altogether. Stick or twist its going to be a 'brave new world' next season. But for me I'd rather there was someone in place with the experience of recruiting, blending and setting up a squad of players to face an entire season... not just allowing an already set-up and running squad in a great position already to coast through to the end. Absolutely, and remember we only see the front end. I can imagine that the Academy and Youth structure (players and coaches) is now beginning to miss his energy, expertise and direction.
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