harty
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Post by harty on Jan 29, 2024 20:38:51 GMT
With WFC clearly punching above our weight, and long may it continue, an FAQ will obviously be “How long before a bigger club comes in for Adam?”
Fair play to the board, there’s clearly a release clause in his contract, which will go some way to compensate WFC.
FWIW I realise like the rest of us that he is destined to work in the EFL, ideally that would be with Worthing, but if he is going leave I don’t believe it would be for another Non League Club, regardless of them being full time, when and if he does go, I believe it will be straight into a job in the Football League.
And it’s no more than he deserves.
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Post by Bally on Jan 29, 2024 21:30:38 GMT
I like how this keeps coming back every 6 months or so. Keeps us honest and a fair perspective on things.
Danny Bloor?
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Post by worthingwire on Jan 29, 2024 21:32:16 GMT
As I understand it, Hinsh is relatively well-paid for this tier (not a criticism, this is a sensible investment by the club IMO). As long as the club's ambitions match his personal ones, I think he'll stay, though ambitions and actual achievements are obviously not the same thing.
Agreed that at present there's not much point in him going to another non-league club, but if his long-term goal is to get a manager's job in the Football League then it's likely he'll have to get some experience in the NL proper first. Ideally, that would be with us.
If we don't go up this year, I suspect he'll give it another crack next season. If we do, and then manage to somehow stay up there for a season or two, then it's more likely that League Two clubs will be prepared to give him a shot, if Notts County appointing the Wealdstone bloke is anything to go by, anyway.
He is still quite young, but reputations can change rapidly - if we go up and come straight back down losing most weeks, will that hinder his future prospects? If we stay where we are for the next few seasons will he get frustrated?
Ideally for both parties, him and the club, we go up, we stay up for a year or two, he gets a fully deserved move to an EFL club, and the board have a suitable successor lined up. Maybe Aarran by then?
Even better would be we go up, we consolidate up there and then we go up again with Hinsh in charge. But that's for the birds really.
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Post by rebellious on Jan 30, 2024 8:30:44 GMT
How long will we want to keep him?
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Post by Phil on Jan 30, 2024 9:49:58 GMT
Interesting post.
In regards to us clearly punching above our weight I would disagree, historically the club has played for years at step 2 on the non league pyramid as well as the years we were in debt we never really 'punched at our correct weight' when you look at the size of the town and the potential I would say knocking on the door of step 1 of non league football / being around the bottom of step 1 is the right place for the club. Now getting any higher than that eg play off's at step 1 etc i would say would be us punching.
Now back to Hinch, my views are if we go up i think he will stay but hate to say it if we dont I can see him going to either a NL side wanting to go up the L2 eg a sutton/barnet/ aldrershot type of side, or a L2 side will take a punt on him.
As always with managers its all speculation and im just enjoying a Hinch Worthing side while we have one and the days of Pook/Bloor/brace etc are all distance memories
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Post by Kenty in Weardale on Jan 30, 2024 12:40:42 GMT
Interesting post. In regards to us clearly punching above our weight I would disagree, historically the club has played for years at step 2 on the non league pyramid as well as the years we were in debt we never really 'punched at our correct weight' when you look at the size of the town and the potential I would say knocking on the door of step 1 of non league football / being around the bottom of step 1 is the right place for the club. Now getting any higher than that eg play off's at step 1 etc i would say would be us punching. Now back to Hinch, my views are if we go up i think he will stay but hate to say it if we dont I can see him going to either a NL side wanting to go up the L2 eg a sutton/barnet/ aldrershot type of side, or a L2 side will take a punt on him. As always with managers its all speculation and im just enjoying a Hinch Worthing side while we have one and the days of Pook/Bloor/brace etc are all distance memories Not sur about "played for years at step 2" Phil. Pauld will know for sure but i thin k that if you look at the years the pyramid has been in operation we have spent more time at step 3 and lower
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Post by Phil on Jan 30, 2024 13:28:36 GMT
When i Say years, i mean stints of 4/5 years and that being at this level is not us punching by any means.
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Post by rebellious on Jan 30, 2024 15:03:13 GMT
Absolute minimum for a town the size of Worthing!
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Post by Kenty in Weardale on Jan 30, 2024 17:22:30 GMT
Adam already mentioned as a wanted manager on both the Dartford and Ebbsfleet forums
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Post by dutchboy74 on Jan 31, 2024 4:17:00 GMT
Very interesting question that. We all know that a manager staying with one club for a long time are very hard to find or a rare breed. Why does Adam want to stay? Full support from the board , the club has been successful over the last few seasons. And still is doing well. And still in a play off position. Why would he leave? A challenge at a higher level, more money.
In the the end of the day if Adam decides to move on to a new challenge good luck him! I believe that you never should stand in the way of someone who wants to better himself. And yes he will be missed. But I think we will keep Adam for the foreseeable future !
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Post by broadwaterred82 on Jan 31, 2024 9:34:59 GMT
If Adam did move on it would more on a personal level as well as football one. It would have to be right for him and and his family.
As things are he is based in Worthing on a full time contract with the club 2nd in NLS .
I would be surprised if he leaves. I think Adam is to loyal and is a big part of the upward trajectory the club is in.
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Post by nickc on Jan 31, 2024 12:38:17 GMT
Adam already mentioned as a wanted manager on both the Dartford and Ebbsfleet forums Dartford...not a chance. Ebbsfleet...we will most likely be playing them next season or in a division above them, so no real worry there either to be honest. Would have to be a good, progressive full-time outfit that aren't a basket case, like Crawley for example, I'm sure. Given how volatile football is, and a bad 6 months at a struggling club (Ebbsfleet, Sutton who were also discussed) would change his value, would arguably be better to hopefully get us up, transition to FT and leave when his stake is high and he's got a bit more widespread reputation, so should there be a setback at his next club, he could still get back into management at a decent level. Ideally though, how long will we keep him/how long do we want to? He's our best manager EVER. No question. We want him as long as possible!
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Post by Keithsson on Jan 31, 2024 13:36:20 GMT
We certainly do, long may he reign 👏🏻
To throw a bit of Devil's advocate into the discussion though, what could actually go against him in the minds of prospective 'poacher' clubs is how long he's been with us.
With a brief hiatus, he's been here ten years. Every aspect of the playing side of the club from root to tip has his DNA running through it.
Would another club want to wait that long?
Had he come in and got us where we are now in 2-3 seasons... well he'd be gone already because that would show a 'Midas touch'.
Had he done it somewhere else before too then that would show replicatable consistency.
Now we don't care that the build has been steady and consistent as that's the only way we as a club could grow. We are delighted with how its gone.
But taking our rebel tinted glasses off and looking at it from the outside. Look at it with the eyes of a club Chairman above us... with some decent money, maybe... with need of a new broom to bring success, definitely.
Would you take a punt that, however good his reputation is, he could export this totally embedded philosophy into your club AND, crucially, bring immediate improvements and sustained growth from day one?
I'm not taking him staying here for granted, I'm not putting him down in any way, his record speaks for itself. I'm just pointing out that the time its taken to get us here, whilst perfect for us, might just make clubs needing instant success think twice... unless they too are happy to invest long term in a project.
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Post by rebellious on Jan 31, 2024 14:13:42 GMT
The Manager's position at any club is only 6-8 weeks away from changing. We are no different, would be naive to think otherwise. Just make sure there is a succession plan in place!
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Post by worthingwire on Jan 31, 2024 18:47:37 GMT
We certainly do, long may he reign 👏🏻 To throw a bit of Devil's advocate into the discussion though, what could actually go against him in the minds of prospective 'poacher' clubs is how long he's been with us. With a brief hiatus, he's been here ten years. Every aspect of the playing side of the club from root to tip has his DNA running through it. Would another club want to wait that long? Had he come in and got us where we are now in 2-3 seasons... well he'd be gone already because that would show a 'Midas touch'. Had he done it somewhere else before too then that would show replicatable consistency. Now we don't care that the build has been steady and consistent as that's the only way we as a club could grow. We are delighted with how its gone. But taking our rebel tinted glasses off and looking at it from the outside. Look at it with the eyes of a club Chairman above us... with some decent money, maybe... with need of a new broom to bring success, definitely. Would you take a punt that, however good his reputation is, he could export this totally embedded philosophy into your club AND, crucially, bring immediate improvements and sustained growth from day one? I'm not taking him staying here for granted, I'm not putting him down in any way, his record speaks for itself. I'm just pointing out that the time its taken to get us here, whilst perfect for us, might just make clubs needing instant success think twice... unless they too are happy to invest long term in a project. You're assuming that chairmen of other clubs have that sort of attention to detail
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